S02E16 – The Ordeal

28.10.09 | 8 Comments

Laura Cowen, Alan Pope, Tony Whitmore and Ciemon Dunville with our good friends Dan Lynch and Fabian A. Scherschel present a special joint Ubuntu and Linux Outlaws podcast, Live (yes, really) from OggCamp 2009 :)

We’ll be back with a regular show next time.

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In a change to this episode schedule, we have:-

  • A brief introduction
  • A recording of the raffle prize draw from OggCamp where we gave away some prizes from our fantastic sponsors.
  • We lament the state of media creation tools in Linux
  • We ask the question ‘should we put your advocacy weight behind one distro?’
  • Finally we ask whether we should do it all again next year. If you were at OggCamp this year, tell us what you did and didn’t like at the usual address. If you didn’t go, tell us what you’d like to see at a future event.

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  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/08515301638655695219 The Crap Blog Detective

    If everyone would think like you, we would now all be speaking German.

    This comment was originally posted on Ubuntu blogspot

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/06039305312558089119 Edward

    @The Crap Blog Detective: Everyone speaking the same language would be a good thing you know. Why do you say it like its bad?

    I do agree with the author, I’m also curious why we are unable to use a standard package system.

    This comment was originally posted on Ubuntu blogspot

  • http://www.myspace.com/3rdalbum 3rdalbum

    Adopting a single package format (Deb or RPM) will solve nothing on its own. You still wouldn’t be able to install a Fedora Deb on Ubuntu, for instance. This is because the dependencies have different names.

    Let’s say the package depends on FFmpeg with restricted formats. On Ubuntu, you need to install "libavcodec-extra-52" (among others) to get a restricted-formats-FFmpeg. On every non-Debian-based distribution, that package has a different name, so the "libavcodec-extra-52" dependency cannot be resolved and the package can’t be installed.

    You’d need to also have all the distributions adopting the same naming scheme, or have a bunch of metapackages on each distribution with the same name (for instance, every distribution can have "meta-restricted-ffmpeg" as a package that pulls in a restricted-formats FFmpeg.

    Once you’ve got a standardized naming scheme, there’s pretty much no reason to adopt a single packaging format anyway, as packages can be converted from one format to another. If the naming scheme was in place, you’d probably find Ubuntu’s gDebi being modified to install RPMsm, and it would be as seamless as installing DEBs.

    This comment was originally posted on Ubuntu blogspot

  • Sorin

    what’s this one distro stuff you people are talking about ? have you guys lost your marbles ? people are free to do what they want in open source and if hundreds of distros is what they really want then that’s what they do.

    If sound is broken that can be fixed. All we need is to rally people and get them to work on it. You guys can help with that: start a campaign or something… talk to Canonical about it, put it out there. Complaining about everyone doing their own thing is not going to solve it.

  • http://www.blogger.com/profile/01590426514094239938 garethj

    The people involved in developing each of these packaging standards have all invested a lot of time, money and effort and I imagine it’s just hard to accept giving up something like that, even it is for the greater good. Which one would you pick for example? It’s a tough problem that no-one’s quite worked out how to solve whilst keeping everyone happy. PackageKit (http://www.packagekit.org/) is a good attempt at trying to solve the problems without changing the underlying infrastructures.

    This comment was originally posted on Ubuntu blogspot

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  • http://tomorrowsomethingnew.blogspot.com/ Ziggy

    What a great read! I’m a huge fan of the Linux Outlaws :) )

    This comment was originally posted on eightbar


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